[Conf] TSL transcript from "Philanthropy and Virtual Worlds: Considering Civil Liberties" event
Below is the transcript from the Teen Grid during our latest event Philanthropy and Virtual Worlds: Considering Civil Liberties.
Rafi Gkid: We're going to get started in a couple of minutes folks, but before we start....
Rafi Gkid: Does anyone have any idea what civil rights in virtual worlds even means? : P
Anthony Pomeray: Yes
Rafi Gkid: Go for it Anthony.
Anthony Pomeray: Basically, we should respect all peoples like we do in the real world, in the virtual world. For example, we should not ostracize newbie because of their lack of knowledge of their surroundings.
Rafi Gkid: So there's a type of civil right there, the right to be free from discrimination.
Rafi Gkid: For sure.
AngelHeart Kubo: Yeeh! I hate when people cuss n00bs
Rafi Gkid: But it extends to other types of things as well.
Rafi Gkid: Anyone have any ideas?
AngelHeart Kubo: I fell sorry for them there so cute lol
AngelHeart Kubo: Hmm
Henrik Svendsen: something with war, not shooting at civilians
AngelHeart Kubo: Maybe we could make n00bs feel welcome
Daniel Voyager: Indeed
AngelHeart Kubo: By Hosting an event welcoming newcomers
Daniel Voyager: TSL Greeters help new folks and TSL Mentors
Rafi Gkid: What about the rights to change the rules of the world? Do you guys think that's a right that residents have?
AngelHeart Kubo: Maybe give them so freebies
Rafi Gkid: We thought we'd start with some discussion on what it means to have rights in a virtual worlds.
Rafi Gkid: Everyone turn on your audio, the panel is starting!
Storm Basiat: Is this live?
Anthony Pomeray: I think this broadcast is going through on Skype.
Dion Zabelin: Yes, it's live.
AngelHeart Kubo: I can say what i think a right could be in sl?
Rafi Gkid: Of course Angel
AngelHeart Kubo: Ok
AngelHeart Kubo: Well
AngelHeart Kubo: I think there should be an island, in which MG + TG can connect
Rafi Gkid: Yeah, Macarthur gives a lot of money to support social justice issues in many places in the world.
AngelHeart Kubo: But they have to be like sensible and stuff
Rafi Gkid: Anyone here even been in club penguin or whyville?
Saryn Eye4You: yeah
Henrik Svendsen: club penguin is that miniclip game?
Rafi Gkid: Any teens? : )
Saryn Eye4You: lol
AngelHeart Kubo: Nope
Dion Zabelin: No, haven't been on either.
AngelHeart Kubo: :/
Saryn Eye4You: There.com
Henrik Svendsen: Been on there and sl
Anthony Pomeray: TG
Henrik Svendsen: but no other vws
Rafi Gkid: Btw - If any of you have questions that you want answered by Robin, Jonathan Fanton, etc, just pass them along to me
Rafi Gkid: even while we're just listening.
Storm Basiat: Is this JAck Linden?
Lucky Figtree: Jack is British
Storm Basiat: No its not jack
Rafi Gkid: His name is Jack Balkin, he's a constituional lawyer
AngelHeart Kubo: Cool
Rafi Gkid: Do you guys think that there should be any laws that the government should impose on virtual worlds?
AngelHeart Kubo: Hmmm good question
Rafi Gkid: If you're just arriving, you can turn on your audio to hear the conversation.
Storm Basiat: Nexii - Robin Harper is speaking :o
Rafi Gkid: nobody speaking is seeing each other in RL.
Rafi Gkid: Robin is in San Fran
Rafi Gkid: Jonathan is in Chicago
Rafi Gkid: I'm not sure where Jack is from.
Rafi Gkid: If you have questions for any of the speakers about civil rights in virtual worlds, please IM them to me, and I'll do my best to have them answered.
Anthony Pomeray: Did she say PN, or PM?
Nexii Malthus: PN!?
Nexii Malthus: Griefer group
Nexii Malthus: Very horrible
Daniel Voyager: lol
Nexii Malthus: infamous on mg
Nexii Malthus: They are the cause of this debate i bet
Nexii Malthus: they cause a lot of grief to avatars and sims
Nexii Malthus: I heard that the PN group can cause a lot of damage to businesses within SL
Anthony Pomeray: Maybe the PN group could be labeled as terrorists.......
Nexii Malthus: they for example put up horrible grief and spam that make all ye customers run away
Rafi Gkid: Well, that's a big question.
Anthony Pomeray: Do you think the PN group could be labeled as terrorists?
Rafi Gkid: So a group like PN, do you think they could be *legally* considered criminals?
Ian Merrienboer: who is this talking?
Nexii Malthus: They WILL be rafi
Rafi Gkid: Right now is Jonathan Fanton, the president of the macarthur foundation
Rafi Gkid: and answering is Jack Balkin, he's a constitutional lawyer.
Nexii Malthus: They have done a lot of grief and caused harm to simulators which has caused them to crash
Alex Harbinger: In the future, I can see VR crimes being treated IRL. Although that'll take a while v.v
Anthony Pomeray: Yes, I believe that they can be considered legally criminal because they are denying right to businesses and people.
Nexii Malthus: they intrude on events, large or small
Nexii Malthus: Denial of service is a crime
Anthony Pomeray: If they prey on people weaker on them that can be considered criminal, and even terrorist activity.
Rafi Gkid: So you think that the government should step into the virtual space to label actors within it as criminals, if they are deserving of that label?
Nexii Malthus: Harassment is also quite bad
Nexii Malthus: Depends on the crime rafi
Alex Harbinger: That's if you assosiate VR crimes with RL rules, which you -can- do now, but it would be much harder to fight. Whereas if governments were more accepting of these crimes, new rules would be made (or current ones modified) to make prosecuting VR criminals easier.
Nexii Malthus: Denial of Service is quite a real legal concern in modern days and can get you in a lot of legal trouble
Anthony Pomeray: Everyone should be given a fair chance at something, even in virtual reality. These PN greifers are criminals and need to be dealt with as such.
Anthony Pomeray: If i'm not correct, innocence is the cost of justice.
Alex Harbinger: Accepting in the context that they accept them as crimes, not lessening the punishments :P
Anthony Pomeray: Why don't you forward my question toward the Q&A section Rafi?
Rafi Gkid: which question anthony?
Anthony Pomeray: Do you think it is possible that the group known as PN could be labeled as legal criminals or terrorists?
Rafi Gkid: will do!
Nexii Malthus: Not a group unfortunately I believe
Nexii Malthus: Only individuals
Rafi Gkid: Welcome Victoria. : )
Victoria Hanfoi: Hi.
Minicooper Hanriot: *_* wat are they talking about?
Rafi Gkid: They're talking about protecting your data.
Minicooper Hanriot: oh from hackerS?
Nexii Malthus: Eh, from anyone?
Nexii Malthus: Except government of course :D
Minicooper Hanriot: ahhhhh
Rafi Gkid: For instance, if you buy something from a company in-world, can they then sell that data to someone else? Like marketers?
Rafi Gkid: It's about protecting privacy.
Minicooper Hanriot: ya
Ian Merrienboer: ^_-
Nexii Malthus: HMh what about the data protection act? oh wait, this is america, i nearly forgot :P
Daniel Voyager: Hi Dusty
Rafi Gkid: If you have any questions for the panelists, Robin, Jack Ballinger, Jonathan Fanton (president of macarthur)
Rafi Gkid: please pass them along to me in IM!
Mike Denneny: Hi
Daniel Voyager: Hiya Mike
Nexii Malthus: Yes, What about the Data protection act, or do they REALLY don't have that there? o.o
Anthony Pomeray: Hopefully..
Rafi Gkid: can you clarify that question?
Minicooper Hanriot: are these the questions u guys asked?
Nexii Malthus: MG and TG questions
Ian Merrienboer: how do you place a question?
Nexii Malthus: just ask rafi
Nexii Malthus: :P
Rafi Gkid: please IM me to place a question
Rafi Gkid: Nexii, can you clarify your question before I pass it along?
Nexii Malthus: What about different countries and rules regarding data, such as the Data Protection Act in the United Kingdom?
Rafi Gkid: Are you saying how do we deal with that?
Nexii Malthus: Yes, I know that Linden Lab has to obey american laws, but Second Life is becoming international
Nexii Malthus: With their presence of offices in various countries
Nexii Malthus: such as in Brighton
Minicooper Hanriot: was this question one of ur guys?
Anthony Pomeray: WOO TG
Henrik Svendsen: yay
Henrik Svendsen: Teen Grid question is being answered!
Rafi Gkid: great question!
Nexii Malthus: Harassment, Denial Of Service
Nexii Malthus: @ PN
Rafi Gkid: For those that just arrived, you can hear the conversation that's going on by clicking play on your audio streaming tab.
Rafi Gkid: And if you have questions for the panelists, please IM me, and I'll pass them over.
Anthony Pomeray: Dang, they're spending a long time on my question.
Rafi Gkid: nice anthony!
Anthony Pomeray: And now they switched
Rafi Gkid: Does everyone know that GK has a privacy policy?
Rafi Gkid: Does everyone know what EULA's are?
Dion Zabelin: End Users License Agreement.
Anthony Pomeray: Yes
Natalia Obscure: Mhmm
Saryn Eye4You: unless they say it's from tg it seems like they are from mg
Nexii Malthus: Uhh, was my question there or did i miss it ? o.o
Anthony Pomeray: What was your question?
Nexii Malthus: "How is Linden Lab dealing, or planning on dealing, with different data protection laws that exist in the many countries that residents reside in?"
Ian Merrienboer: Rafi mine wasnt asked, right?
Anthony Pomeray: In't that the initial user agreement?
Anthony Pomeray: I think that was the first one, I dunno.
Rafi Gkid: I don't think yours was asked Ian, sorry.
Rafi Gkid: We'll be starting the machinima soon.
Anthony Pomeray: My question was answered :D
Jay Clostermann: Oh cool.
Rafi Gkid: In a minute Barry's going to be speaking!
Rafi Gkid: I'm going to pop in the movie url after barry and doug speak.
Minicooper Hanriot: is this live?
Ian Merrienboer: yes
Minicooper Hanriot: cool where is it taking place?
Rafi Gkid: In second life
Rafi Gkid: well, on skype, streamed into SL.
Anthony Pomeray: I think I heard them talking about this machinma right now Rafi :D
Lucky Figtree: BARRRYY
Anthony Pomeray: Well, they'll be watching the machinima GK made
Dion Zabelin: Yay Barry!
Lucky Figtree: woooo!
Dion Zabelin: He's on!
Jay Clostermann: HEY BERRY
Jay Clostermann: BARRY
Jay Clostermann: BERRYBARRY
Rafi Gkid: lol
Jay Clostermann: I don't think there's much philanthropy in TSL.
